{"id":65317,"date":"2018-09-23T15:27:20","date_gmt":"2018-09-23T15:27:20","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/comabeba.com\/argentina\/?p=65317"},"modified":"2025-11-15T03:46:16","modified_gmt":"2025-11-15T03:46:16","slug":"siamo-nel-forno","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/comabeba.com\/argentina\/es\/siamo-nel-forno\/","title":{"rendered":"Siamo nel Forno"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>[et_pb_section bb_built=&#8221;1&#8243; admin_label=&#8221;2018-04-R1-EN Section Reviews&#8221; specialty=&#8221;off&#8221; _builder_version=&#8221;3.19.5&#8243; background_color=&#8221;rgba(255,255,255,0)&#8221; custom_padding=&#8221;0px||0px|&#8221; custom_margin=&#8221;20px|-10px||-10px&#8221; next_background_color=&#8221;#000000&#8243; global_module=&#8221;56337&#8243;][et_pb_row admin_label=&#8221;row&#8221; global_parent=&#8221;56337&#8243; _builder_version=&#8221;3.15&#8243; background_color=&#8221;rgba(0,0,0,0)&#8221; background_position_1=&#8221;top_left&#8221; 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Pizzer\u00eda ES, Restaurante casual<br \/><span style=\"color: #ccb378\"><strong>Cocina: <\/strong><\/span>Pizzas<br \/><span style=\"color: #ccb378\"><strong>Tipo de servicio:<\/strong><\/span> Para llevar, Servicio a la mesa<br \/><span style=\"color: #ccb378\"><strong> Precio: <\/strong><\/span>-$$$-<br \/><span style=\"color: #ccb378\"><strong> Elementos del men\u00fa: <\/strong><\/span>Ensaladas, Helados, Pizza, Tiramis\u00fa<br \/><span style=\"color: #ccb378\"><strong> Horario: <\/strong><\/span>Dom y Mar-Jue: 8pm - 12am Vie-S\u00e1b: 8pm - 1am <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>[\/et_pb_toggle][\/et_pb_column][et_pb_column type=&#8221;1_2&#8243;][et_pb_toggle admin_label=&#8221;2018-04-ES R2M2 Palanca Resumen de cr\u00edtica&#8221; global_parent=&#8221;56413&#8243; saved_tabs=&#8221;all&#8221; title=&#8221;Resumen&#8221; disabled=&#8221;off&#8221; disabled_on=&#8221;off||&#8221; open_toggle_background_color=&#8221;rgba(45,45,45,0.9)&#8221; open_toggle_text_color=&#8221;#ffffff&#8221; 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custom_padding=&#8221;8px|||&#8221; custom_padding_last_edited=&#8221;on|tablet&#8221;]<\/p>\n<h3><span style=\"color: #ffffff\">La cr\u00edtica entera para Siamo nel Forno<\/span><\/h3>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<div id=\"fullreview\"><span style=\"color: #ccb378\"><strong>Criticado por: <\/strong><\/span>Ollie O<br \/><span style=\"color: #ccb378\"><strong>Calificaci\u00f3n: <\/strong><\/span>4,0 estrellas<br \/><span style=\"color: #ccb378\"><strong>Fecha de cr\u00edtica: <\/strong><\/span> 01\/27\/2016<\/div>\n<p>[\/et_pb_text][\/et_pb_column_inner][et_pb_column_inner type=&#8221;1_2&#8243; saved_specialty_column_type=&#8221;1_2&#8243;][et_pb_text admin_label=&#8221;Texto Punteros de Cartas&#8221; global_parent=&#8221;65407&#8243; _builder_version=&#8221;3.15&#8243; background_layout=&#8221;dark&#8221; custom_padding_phone=&#8221;20px|||&#8221; custom_padding_last_edited=&#8221;on|phone&#8221;]<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center\">\n<p>[\/et_pb_text][\/et_pb_column_inner][\/et_pb_row_inner][et_pb_row_inner admin_label=&#8221;Row&#8221; 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Es muy simple con una pizarra explicando qu\u00e9 sirven ese d\u00eda y no mucho m\u00e1s. Algunas fotos familiares que lo llevar\u00e1n a creer que el propietario podr\u00eda haber tenido algunos ancestros que vivieron en Italia. No hubo clich\u00e9s Sin mezcla de cl\u00e1sicos italianos. No Dean Martin canta \"That's Amore\". Claramente. Si vienes a Siamo ne Forno ... es por la pizza. El servicio fue adecuado. Nada mas. Y el costo de una pizza no es m\u00e1s de lo que pag\u00f3 en una pizzer\u00eda \"no aut\u00e9ntica\". Y hay bastantes de esos en Buenos Aires, debo agregar.<\/p>\n<p>Flatbread con coberturas, cocinado en un horno es un alimento com\u00fan en todo el mundo. Pero el m\u00e1s notorio de todos estos panes planos es la pizza. Y la m\u00e1s emblem\u00e1tica, aunque la m\u00e1s b\u00e1sica, de todas las variedades de pizza proviene de N\u00e1poles.<\/p>\n<p>Aut\u00e9ntica pizza napolitana viene en dos variedades. Esas pocas pizzas menos de lo que encuentras en el men\u00fa de Pizza Hut, \u00bfverdad? La pizza original era masa estirada a mano, con salsa de tomate y hierbas (generalmente albahaca) en la parte superior. Cuenta la leyenda que en 1889 un fabricante local de pizzas en N\u00e1poles a\u00f1adi\u00f3 un cremoso queso mozzarella a una pizza en honor a Margherita de Saboya, la consorte reina de Italia, para reproducir los colores (verde, rojo y blanco) en la bandera italiana. Esta peque\u00f1a creatividad patri\u00f3tica llev\u00f3 a la segunda variedad de aut\u00e9ntica pizza napolitana, la pizza Margherita.<\/p>\n<p>Naturalmente, en el mundo moderno, los italianos creativos decidieron agregar un poco de variedad a sus vidas. As\u00ed que tambi\u00e9n puedes obtener otras cuatro variedades de pizza \"modernas\" en Siamo nel Forno.<\/p>\n<p>Ofrecen la Romana, que agrega unas peque\u00f1as astillas de anchoas, la Salsiccia, con la adici\u00f3n de dulce salchicha italiana, el Champignon e Prosciutto con jam\u00f3n y champi\u00f1ones, y por \u00faltimo, pero no menos importante, el Patate, con queso de oveja y papas.<\/p>\n<p>Ahora, para todos los aficionados a los platos hondos de Chicago ... tenga en cuenta que esta pizza no se parece en nada a lo que est\u00e1 acostumbrado. Y est\u00e1 muy lejos de la variedad de corteza delgada con la que los neoyorquinos podr\u00edan estar familiarizados.<\/p>\n<p>Lo que constituye la pizza napolitana \"aut\u00e9ntica\" es el tema de debate. Todo el mundo est\u00e1 de acuerdo en que la masa est\u00e1 estirada a mano y es muy fina, y se cocina en uno de esos hornos de domo de le\u00f1a natural. Parece haber acuerdo en que solo vienen en un tama\u00f1o (alrededor de 12 \"a 14\", ya que la apertura al horno es solo un poco m\u00e1s grande que eso) y solo tienen una capa delgada de cobertura como lo he descrito anteriormente y nada M\u00e1s. Sin huevos, sin pepperoni, sin salami, y por cierto, sin pi\u00f1a. Lo que parece ser el tema de una disputa es si la verdadera pizza napolitana debe estar pasada y floja en el medio (lo que requiere que comas con cuchillo y tenedor) o si debe estar ligeramente crujiente en la parte inferior para que puedas comer una porci\u00f3n con la ayuda de los dedos. Una cosa es segura. Muchas personas que nunca han estado en N\u00e1poles parecen pensar que son autoridades en el tema.<\/p>\n<p>En realidad, hay una autoridad real sobre el tema. El gobierno italiano en realidad tiene un \u00f3rgano de gobierno que ha emitido una especificaci\u00f3n bastante detallada sobre lo que es y lo que no es verdadera pizza napolitana.<\/p>\n<p>Basado en la versi\u00f3n traducida de este libro de reglas, parecer\u00eda que la verdadera pizza napolitana est\u00e1 en alg\u00fan lugar entre los dos extremos. Aunque no debe ser crujiente y quebradizo, debe ser lo suficientemente firme para permitir que se pliegue y se coma a mano.<\/p>\n<p>Este debate probablemente no se resolver\u00e1 aqu\u00ed, pero les dir\u00e9 que la pizza que recib\u00ed en Siamo nel Forno est\u00e1 al final de la escala. La masa en el centro de la pizza estaba floja y empapada. Entonces, si tratas de com\u00e9rselo con las manos, es probable que termines con los ingredientes localizados, no en la pizza, sino en ese su\u00e9ter de cachemir que acabas de comprar en el Paseo Florida.<\/p>\n<p>D\u00e9jame ser honesto. Estoy en el campamento con la gente de Chicago Deep Dish. En lo que a m\u00ed respecta, mientras m\u00e1s cosas acumules en la parte superior, mejor ser\u00e1. Y si voy a hacer algo con una corteza delgada, preferir\u00eda que fuera crujiente. Lo suficientemente fr\u00e1gil como para permitirme meter el extremo puntiagudo de la pieza en mi garganta sin un tenedor. Pero estoy tratando de ignorar mis preferencias para calificar este restaurante, ya que creo que la pizza en Siamo nel Forno es probablemente uno de los pocos restaurantes de Buenos Aires que sirve algo remotamente parecido a la aut\u00e9ntica pizza napolitana. Nuestra alta calificaci\u00f3n de Creatividad no es el resultado de una originalidad \u00fanica e innovadora, sino m\u00e1s bien, del hecho de que la aut\u00e9ntica pizza napolitana es m\u00e1s rara que rara. 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